Comments on: Mobile Web - Just Say No! http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:45:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: The Attention Economy and Mobile Web 2.0 at mobilejones http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-431 The Attention Economy and Mobile Web 2.0 at mobilejones Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:38:52 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-431 [...] on every page. There are, also, featured links which is code for paid placement. So then, Mobile Web 2.0 is a maximized revenue instance of a walled garden. Who [...] […] on every page. There are, also, featured links which is code for paid placement. So then, Mobile Web 2.0 is a maximized revenue instance of a walled garden. Who […]

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By: Helen Keegan http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-303 Helen Keegan Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:05:09 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-303 I actually have three browsers on my phone.. the original pre web 'n walk t-mobile browser, t-mobile's opera browser with no personalisation options and opera mini which I can personalise. Depending on how I access the mobile internet - via a downloaded app like gmail or mobizines, direct through opera mini or various links within the t-mobile/nokia operating system, I get taken to a different browser and I have no control over which one I get directed to. Equally, I don't necessarily want google as my home page either. I actually have three browsers on my phone.. the original pre web ‘n walk t-mobile browser, t-mobile’s opera browser with no personalisation options and opera mini which I can personalise.

Depending on how I access the mobile internet - via a downloaded app like gmail or mobizines, direct through opera mini or various links within the t-mobile/nokia operating system, I get taken to a different browser and I have no control over which one I get directed to.

Equally, I don’t necessarily want google as my home page either.

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By: …about mobility » Blog Archive » Local-apps as a mashup of media-rich services, or, taking a million non-media rich services, and making them media-rich… http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-299 …about mobility » Blog Archive » Local-apps as a mashup of media-rich services, or, taking a million non-media rich services, and making them media-rich… Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:16:05 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-299 [...] to this see Debi Jones’ Mobile Web - Just Say No!, where Debi makes the important point about of the role of web services on mobile applications (as [...] […] to this see Debi Jones’ Mobile Web - Just Say No!, where Debi makes the important point about of the role of web services on mobile applications (as […]

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By: mojo http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-298 mojo Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:13:43 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-298 Helen, A major factor here may be that http://mobile.google.com gives the option of setting Google as one's home page in the phone's web browser. That's what I've done. Launching my browser on Sprint's network, provides me with a list of Goog services: Search Maps (download java app) Gmail (download java app) Calendar SMS News Photos Blogger Reader Goog411; instead of the operator portal. There is a link here for other countries including the UK. You might want to give it a try for the sake of experimentation. And let me point out that this M:metrics data snack doesn't claim to reflect overall usage, but only for smartphone users. Give it a whirl. I find the access to Google Reader on my phone especially helpful for those brief moments when I can sneak in a quick check-in with the blogosphere. I tend to be influenced by the characteristic pointed out by Denmark Kilo, "surfing the operator portal in the UK is free." Free is a pretty powerful behavior shaper. Helen,

A major factor here may be that http://mobile.google.com gives the option of setting Google as one’s home page in the phone’s web browser. That’s what I’ve done.

Launching my browser on Sprint’s network, provides me with a list of Goog services:

Search
Maps (download java app)
Gmail (download java app)
Calendar
SMS
News
Photos
Blogger
Reader
Goog411;

instead of the operator portal. There is a link here for other countries including the UK. You might want to give it a try for the sake of experimentation.

And let me point out that this M:metrics data snack doesn’t claim to reflect overall usage, but only for smartphone users.

Give it a whirl. I find the access to Google Reader on my phone especially helpful for those brief moments when I can sneak in a quick check-in with the blogosphere.

I tend to be influenced by the characteristic pointed out by Denmark Kilo, “surfing the operator portal in the UK is free.” Free is a pretty powerful behavior shaper.

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By: Neil Hoskins http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-295 Neil Hoskins Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:36:54 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-295 The UK operators' trying to confine us to walled gardens, then trying to sting us for ridiculous charges, was, IMO, one of the biggest business blunders of our age. They didn't seem to be able to grasp that we wanted the Internet - and all it has to offer - and not their crappy "services": bloody ringtones, wallpapers, and pop music bollocks. You'd have thought they'd have learned their lesson from the experiences of AOL and Compuserve. It stifled what could have been a real boom. Even now that T-mobile and 3 have led the way with a more sensible pricing policy, and less blocking of certain protocols, the damage has been done because people have had such a poor experience in the past: "Mobile Internet? That's just ringtones, wallpapers and pop music bollocks, isn't it?" The UK operators’ trying to confine us to walled gardens, then trying to sting us for ridiculous charges, was, IMO, one of the biggest business blunders of our age. They didn’t seem to be able to grasp that we wanted the Internet - and all it has to offer - and not their crappy “services”: bloody ringtones, wallpapers, and pop music bollocks. You’d have thought they’d have learned their lesson from the experiences of AOL and Compuserve. It stifled what could have been a real boom. Even now that T-mobile and 3 have led the way with a more sensible pricing policy, and less blocking of certain protocols, the damage has been done because people have had such a poor experience in the past: “Mobile Internet? That’s just ringtones, wallpapers and pop music bollocks, isn’t it?”

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By: Helen Keegan http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-294 Helen Keegan Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:36:39 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-294 I pondered this question too Debi and it's actually quite simple. I'm a t-mobile customer on web 'n walk in the UK so I have the opera browser downloaded as part of that package. As soon as you click on the browser button to actively access the internet, t-mobile's home page comes up as default. If I use Opera Mini (which I installed myself), I don't get any home page at all and I have to either click on one of my bookmarks or enter a URL to get to a page. I don't know how many folks are interested enough to have downloaded Opera Mini unless they're working in the industry or are geeky? So the status quo is to use the pre-installed settings which afford you one-click mobile web access. So I'm not sure that these statistics are reflective of overall usage and could be highly skewed. I'd like m:metrics to explain more fully what exactly they're measuring. And maybe for something like mobile web usage, they need a bigger sample size than 500 or so smartphone customers for it to be truly representative. I pondered this question too Debi and it’s actually quite simple.

I’m a t-mobile customer on web ‘n walk in the UK so I have the opera browser downloaded as part of that package. As soon as you click on the browser button to actively access the internet, t-mobile’s home page comes up as default.

If I use Opera Mini (which I installed myself), I don’t get any home page at all and I have to either click on one of my bookmarks or enter a URL to get to a page. I don’t know how many folks are interested enough to have downloaded Opera Mini unless they’re working in the industry or are geeky? So the status quo is to use the pre-installed settings which afford you one-click mobile web access.

So I’m not sure that these statistics are reflective of overall usage and could be highly skewed. I’d like m:metrics to explain more fully what exactly they’re measuring. And maybe for something like mobile web usage, they need a bigger sample size than 500 or so smartphone customers for it to be truly representative.

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By: …about mobility » Blog Archive » Carnival of the Mobilists #82 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-292 …about mobility » Blog Archive » Carnival of the Mobilists #82 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:47:02 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-292 [...] Jones (Mobile Jones) writes Mobile Web - Just Say No! where she covers some metrics related to mobile web destinations in the US versus in the UK, and [...] […] Jones (Mobile Jones) writes Mobile Web - Just Say No! where she covers some metrics related to mobile web destinations in the US versus in the UK, and […]

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By: Denmark Kilo http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-263 Denmark Kilo Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:22:04 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-263 There's also the question of laziness on the part of the user. People use the phone for downloading media for their handset, instead of using it much as a source of information. As in, people really just want to get ringtones, games, wallpapers (Cough...AdultStuff...COUGHcough) for their handset, and they occasionally read the news on the portal's pages. Everything that they mostly want is provided for them within the walled garden. According to the training I've recieved, there's going to be more of an attempt to get people to look at other sites, such as mySpace, Youtube, et al. Heck, there's even the "Google Enhanced" search box when you go into Live! as well. I'm doubtful that many would do such a thing, considering I can walk into an internet cafe and spend 30-40 minutes surfing the net properly for the same cost as a single megabyte's worth of data transfer. Oh, and just to make things more fun, some clever person decided to do something about normal websites. Namely attempting to render them in such a way on the phone that people can actually see things semi-properly. A move away from the mobile specific pages. Thankfully no-one's asked me about that yet. I still don't quite get it myself... There’s also the question of laziness on the part of the user. People use the phone for downloading media for their handset, instead of using it much as a source of information. As in, people really just want to get ringtones, games, wallpapers (Cough…AdultStuff…COUGHcough) for their handset, and they occasionally read the news on the portal’s pages. Everything that they mostly want is provided for them within the walled garden.

According to the training I’ve recieved, there’s going to be more of an attempt to get people to look at other sites, such as mySpace, Youtube, et al. Heck, there’s even the “Google Enhanced” search box when you go into Live! as well. I’m doubtful that many would do such a thing, considering I can walk into an internet cafe and spend 30-40 minutes surfing the net properly for the same cost as a single megabyte’s worth of data transfer.

Oh, and just to make things more fun, some clever person decided to do something about normal websites. Namely attempting to render them in such a way on the phone that people can actually see things semi-properly. A move away from the mobile specific pages.
Thankfully no-one’s asked me about that yet. I still don’t quite get it myself…

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By: mojo http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-251 mojo Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:11:37 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-251 It will be interesting to watch for a change especially of Vodafone users to the new tariffs and their browsing habits. Operators offering free portal browsing certainly explains allot. Thanks for explaining that bit. The know-how problem is a chicken and egg question, yes? There has to be a compelling reason for people to need to know how to leave. And in addition, leaving has to be as easy as getting onto the portal. Certainly, that has been the case for the evolution of the Internets. It will be interesting to watch for a change especially of Vodafone users to the new tariffs and their browsing habits. Operators offering free portal browsing certainly explains allot. Thanks for explaining that bit.

The know-how problem is a chicken and egg question, yes? There has to be a compelling reason for people to need to know how to leave. And in addition, leaving has to be as easy as getting onto the portal. Certainly, that has been the case for the evolution of the Internets.

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By: Denmark Kilo http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-173 Denmark Kilo Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:33:53 +0000 http://mobilejones.com/2007/07/10/mobile-web-just-say-no/#comment-173 As someone whom does work for Vodafone UK on the customer service side, more specifically for the prepay (Pay as you Talk) section, there may be another reason why the phone operators got so much traffic... Vodafone changed their data charges recently, based on data usage. You're looking around the £2 mark per megabyte of data transfer for PAYT users, no matter where you go (Vodafone Live! or the internet itself). Before the recent change, VF Live! was free to browse, but going out of Live! was charged at data rates. Of £7.50 per megabyte. So yes, before the recent changes, you could access the internet itself. But you got kneecapped for it. So, people didn't. Also, from my own personal experience of dealing with PrePay customers, I don't think many of them actually know HOW to leave the walled garden that is Live in the first place. Why do I know? Just... ...trust me on that. Really. As someone whom does work for Vodafone UK on the customer service side, more specifically for the prepay (Pay as you Talk) section, there may be another reason why the phone operators got so much traffic…

Vodafone changed their data charges recently, based on data usage. You’re looking around the £2 mark per megabyte of data transfer for PAYT users, no matter where you go (Vodafone Live! or the internet itself). Before the recent change, VF Live! was free to browse, but going out of Live! was charged at data rates. Of £7.50 per megabyte.
So yes, before the recent changes, you could access the internet itself. But you got kneecapped for it. So, people didn’t.

Also, from my own personal experience of dealing with PrePay customers, I don’t think many of them actually know HOW to leave the walled garden that is Live in the first place.
Why do I know?

Just… …trust me on that.

Really.

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